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Scott D

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« on: February 12, 2009, 08:35:41 PM »
My situation, like that of many other guys around here, is in a word, complicated. It goes like this...

I was pretty young when my ex and I got together. I was 16 at the time, and she was 15. She had dated a guy for around five months, and had cheated on him several times with someone else. For whatever reason, she and I became really close friends during this time, and I was basically her "go-to guy" for help and advice, because she knew I wouldn't think less of her and that I would keep her secrets. She started to have feelings for me straight away. She broke up with her boyfriend, explained to me how she felt, and shortly after we started dating. Some people might think that I was a rebound, but that is far from the truth. She didn't become attached to me because she broke up with the other dude, it was the other way around.

I had some reservations about dating her, because she cheated on the guy she was with before me, and naturally I was afraid she would do the same to me. I explained my fears to her, and she completely understood. She promised me she would never cheat on me, knowing how seriously I take promises. After that, things were amazing. I fell hard for her. Being young and living on opposite sides of town, we very rarely got to spend time with eachother outside of school. This bothered me, but I understood our situation was a difficult one in that aspect, so I was patient and took what I could get. Her dad was very protective, very strict, so she never told her parents that we were dating. This also bothered me, but again I understood. To this day, I don't think her parents know exactly how serious our relationship was.

For our first anniversary, I bought her a gold ring that had three heart-shaped rubies. It felt like everything was right in the world. We talked about a future together, getting married after college, moving to Seattle, adopting a cat and we agreed on not having children. I don't ever remember being happier than I was then. But it didn't last.

Not seeing her outside of school was really taking a toll on me. I played soccer after school for half the year, so we didn't even get time together after classes were over. She began making new friends in my absence, and it got to the point where even on those rare occasions that we did have the opportunity to just sit and talk and enjoy eachother's company after school, she would tell me to just go home because she preferred to hang out with her other friends. I never made a big deal out of that, because I know that it wasn't because she didn't want to spend time with me. She simply enjoyed her time with her other friends, and that was understandable.

After about a year and a half, we started arguing a lot. It was always about the same things. I wanted our relationship to be more serious, I didn't want to have to carouse behind her parents' backs, I wanted to be able to go on dates and actually be together outside of the classroom. I started getting mad that she wasn't making enough for me, she got upset that I became very antisocial (my reasoning was nobody else mattered). For better or for worse, I can't remember exactly what happened around that time, but it got real bad real fast.

The beginning of my senior year of high school, I broke my wrist in eight places during a soccer match. I needed surgery to fix it, and was forced to sit out the rest of the season. One short month later, she dumped me. She didn't really have a reason other than she was not happy anymore. She didn't explain why, she didn't tell me what I could do to fix it. She just said it's over. I wanted to die. I tried being friendly, hoping she would change her mind, but she never did. She didn't show any remorse, didn't show any inclination of giving me another chance. She wasn't rude at all, she was sympathetic to how much pain I was in, but she wasn't willing to help.

A month and a half after that, I found out by snooping through her USB flash drive that she had cheated on me. She had pictures of her and another guy kissing, conversations between them talking about how much they loved eachother. I can't remember when they were dated, I just remember that she and I were still together when all of this took place. I was devastated, as you could well imagine. This girl, the love of my life, the girl who even now I love with all of my heart and soul, had betrayed me. I was diagnosed with manic depression, and spent four months on an antipsychotic medication and going to therapy weekly. It still amazes me that I am here today. Every time I would wake up, I would pray that I would die. I didn't have any motivation, and I'm a little ashamed to admit that I even tried overdosing on pain medication twice. I had a genuine desire not to live anymore, and that scared me. It took me nearly a full year (with one other short relationship during that time) before I was confident that I could really get on without her, but I'm still feeling the effects of the loss.

We got together February 14, 2005. We broke up October 30, 2006. One year, eight months, and sixteen days. I wish I could forget, but I know I never will.

But that's not all!

Last August, at the beginning of the fall semester at school, I hand-wrote her a letter explaining that if she was willing, I'd like to try being friends again. We missed each other, we were best friends for so long. Our situation could have ended differently (or not ended at all) but she made a mistake, and unfortunately I got hurt over it. So we tried being friends, we talked on the phone a lot, we even hung out a couple times. The biggest hurdle for me was that she was still dating the guy she cheated on me with. That was a tough pill to swallow. It seems like every mistake she made with me (not making time for me outside of school, being unwilling to talk about our serious problems until they were solved, etc) she fixed for this other guy. She gave him everything I feel like I deserved. She is a better person, and it's good to know that she learned from her mistakes, but I couldn't (and still can't) help but feel left behind, because everything she did wrong with me, she did right with him.

Just one month ago, at the beginning of this year, he ended up dumping her. I was the first person she told, before even her parents. She knew I would be there for her, because she knew I went through the exact same thing. I gave her advice, consoled her, talked her through it, despite the hell that it put me through. I still love her, and it was so painful to hear about how much she is going to miss the other dude, how much she loves him (and not me), and how much she is willing to do to get him back. Having been there, I understood how she felt, and I did my best to stay objective. It was difficult, and I spent many sleepless nights wondering where we were headed. I still had feelings for her, and she mentioned that she could one day love me again. But it didn't work out that way.

Just last week she and I were talking, and she told me that she was beginning to like another guy. They met in one of her classes, and when he asked her on a date she accepted. They are dating now, and as a result, she and I are no longer friends. She knew that in our current situation, with the feelings I still have for her combined with our long and painful history, we could not stay friends if she started dating someone else. And yet she did it anyway. I do not begrudge her that, I'm not mad at her at all for it. I know she is just trying to make herself happy, and she can't be faulted for that. But once again I felt left behind, and so I took my leave. After everything I've done for her, after the hell I've been through on her behalf, I feel like I deserve better. But she is not able (and let's face it, not willing) to do what it takes to give me better. It was the hardest thing I've ever done to tell her that I don't want to be friends anymore. But if she is going to choose someone else over me, then I have no option but to do the same. I chose myself over her. It's hard, and at times I almost regret it, but I know my decision was for the best. It's been three days since I initiated the no contact rule, and even though I want more than anything to call her and see how she is doing, I can already tell that things are getting better.

I am 20 years old now, still young by most standards, but I've been through a lot. To any other guys out there who are upset with themselves for not being able to move on, stop kicking yourself over it. It has been two and a half years since my girlfriend dumped me, and I am still not completely over her. I still miss her, I still wish things turned out differently. All in all, if I had to point a finger, it would be at her. I know I am far from a perfect boyfriend, but I proved time and time again that I was (and am) willing to do whatever it takes to make her happy and make a relationship work. But in this case, things just didn't work out. Healing is a slow process sometimes. Often, the only thing that keeps me from quitting is the hope that things will get better. But they will, I know it.
« Last Edit: February 13, 2009, 08:54:03 PM by Scott D »
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Re: My Story
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2009, 10:03:20 AM »
Wow Scott, that's an extremely moving story - I could almost feel all the emotion and pain you were pouring into the writing. I know you're not asking for advice, but I think you did the right thing by initiating the no contact rule. Sometimes, you just have to move on, you just can't linger in a "mixed state" with a girl for too long, and I realized that just yesterday.

The problem is, ambiguity is reassuring, because it allows you not to face the truth - it allows you to live with the illusion that you can repeat the past. By staying in ambiguity, you're protecting yourself from the harsh truth. As a guy, there are always two choices when it comes down to girls:

1) Stay in ambiguity - long, painful (when you get hints), reassuring, but you can miss so many things and other girls because you're stuck in that phase, because you simply refuse to move on. Best solution in the short run, because it hurts less, but in the long run, the best solution is...

2) Moving on - Hurts like hell when you do for a couple of days/weeks/months, maybe years (depending on how long and serious the relationship was), but definitely the best thing to do. Otherwise, your life becomes a hostage of ambiguity.

Scott, your story made me think of the novel The Great Gatsby by F. Scott Fitzgerald. You seem just like Gatsby yourself (speaking of your love life). I think you should read or reread it, could be of great value to you.

Don't hesitate a sec to write here or shoot me an email if you need anything!

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« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2009, 10:38:39 AM »
You are completely right about moving on. It's the hardest thing I've ever had to do. People say what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger, and sometimes that's hard to believe. But I'm sure it will get better soon. It has to.

I've read The Great Gatsby but can't remember a thing about it ... I think I'll pick it up next time I'm at the bookstore. I love reading, wouldn't mind sticking that one at the top of my list.
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« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2009, 05:16:01 PM »
It's been three weeks since I initiated the no-contact rule, and I find that my desire to speak to her is fluctuating greatly... mostly on the weekends, when I have nothing to do, I have a nearly-overwhelming urge to call her, but I'm lucky enough to have the will-power not to. During the week, when I'm busy with school, work, and other friends I don't even think about her very often, and if I do the thoughts don't last long. I'm a little worried one of these days I'm going to break, but I just keep reminding me of how much she hurt me, and although I miss her, she can't give me what I need. It sure is tough though.
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« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2009, 01:20:28 PM »
How is it going, Scott?
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« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2009, 05:50:31 AM »
I doubt you'd believe it if I told you. But I'm going to anyway.

Shortly after I wrote that last post of mine, she showed up at my doorstep in the middle of the day. Mind you, that is a rather big deal. In our history, she's only been to my house six or seven times, and it is a long drive. For her to come uninvited, unexpected, well, it sure was a surprise. I opened the door and simply asked, "What are you doing here?" She said she wanted her best friend back. And I couldn't help but pull her into a big, warm hug. We spent the next few hours reconciling our past, explaining to eachother how we feel, and where we want to go.

As it stands right now, we are best friends, and truly best friends. We talk to eachother about everything, simply listening to the other breathe is enough to make us feel better when we're having a bad day. We love eachother as much as anyone could, but friendship is all it is. And I am ok with that. She is actually dating someone now, but that doesn't bother me other than that I am jealous she has somebody to love, and I'm still looking. I am so grateful she's in my life, that she's my best friend.

We both know we are lucky to have gotten this far, because very, very few people would have "survived" the struggle we've been through. It's crazy to think about all that has happened between the two of us, but at this point in time, it all seems worth it.
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« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2009, 09:40:28 PM »
Wow Scott, I am sorry. Those school romances are always tought (I met mine in my college library as well) because you share so many common experiences together.

Her abandoning/cheating on you while you were injured was just sick. I stood by my ex when she was sick for 2 months, spent every moment bringing her food and visiting her in the hospital. I was so happy when she got well. Dumping someone when they are not at 100% is cruel and unusual punishment. Proud of your for initiating the NC rule, am doing the same myself.

At least my current ex was not my first true love and breakup but first love/breakup is always toughest.

Glad to know that time is healing our moods, for me the summer rain song by Igor Talkov helps. In it he sings (in Russian) that his love is
"a migrating bird that only flies by to say sorry and than flies away again." So tells his love "with time you will understand that you cannot find love from love" but for now "I will not hear from you since you won't come back."   :(

after being said he makes his decision and tells his love to "FLY!"  :'(

Than he sings
"The summer rain is telling me that one day you will come back, but it will be too late, bad-timing is always a problem when he and her are involved" so "I will sit by the window and let the summer rain heal my wounds." That song gets me every time. Listen to it here if you want, look at the guy's expression especially when he says "Leti (fly.)"  :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9Gd7XYyeYg&feature=related
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« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2009, 03:38:59 PM »
Although I have no idea what exactly he is saying other than the words you translated, it's a very relaxing song, and the message it portays is really inspiring. I wish there was an English version though.  :-\
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« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2009, 07:50:06 PM »
For your benefit Scott, translated entire song into English, loses some rhythm though:

(1st Verse)
Memory is no longer stinging,
Pain no longer hits hands,
I am saying goodbye to you as you go to distant lands

You are a migratory bird,
Looking for happiness in the trip,
You visit me to say sorry and once again leave...

(Chorus)
Summer Rain, Summer Rain,
It began today real early,
Summer Rain, Summer Rain,
Will wash away the wounds in my soul
We will grieve, with him together,
Near an Empty Window

Summer Rain, Summer Rain,
Whispers too me soft and clearly,
That you will, will come back
Will come back but will be too late
Bad timing - endless drama
Where there is a him and a her

(2nd Verse)
You will stop visiting my dreams,
Pretty soon and afterwards.
A new dream will burn in my chilly home.

People don't look for love from love,
With years you will understand.
But for now you won't hear me and you cannot return.

(Chorus - twice)
Summer Rain, Summer Rain,
It began today real early,
Summer Rain, Summer Rain,
Will wash away the wounds in my soul
We will grieve with him together,
Near an Empty Window

Summer Rain, Summer Rain,
Whispers too me soft and clearly,
That you will, will come back
Will come back but will be too late,
Bad timing - endless drama
Where there is a him and a her

(Repeat First Verse)
(1st Verse)
Memory is no longer stinging,
Pain no longer hits hands,
I am saying goodbye to you as you go to distant lands

You are a migratory bird,
Looking for happiness in the trip,
You visit me to say sorry and once again leave...

FLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2009, 09:32:01 PM »
Lovely song, Alex.

You know, now that my ex and I are best friends (and we really are just friends, nothing more) it seems to be putting a bit of strain on my relationship with my new girlfriend. Before we started dating, my girlfriend said she thinks it's great that me and my ex were able to reconcile everything and still be friends, but now that we're actually together, she seems to tense up whenever I mention my ex. Her doubts are reasonable, but they aren't justified. I'm afraid it's going to grow into this huge monster that eats away at our relationship. I'm not willing to give up my best friend for anyone. I just wish people could see that we are just friends, there isn't any romantic interest between us.

It's going to be a difficult line to walk.  :-\
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« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2009, 11:04:09 PM »
Scott, Girlfriends hate when their boyfriend talks about other girls. When you were friends with your gf, it really didnt matter, because she didnt really care, she was free and single but still interested in you. But now that she has seen you in a new light by growing closer to you. Being your girl. She WANTS you. And speaking about some other girl gives her the feeling that you are hooked on someone else when she really wants herself to be your addicting drug. Understand? Im in the same little trouble just as you are But mine is different, ill talk about on another post. Anyways..

Advice: DO NOT mention your ex. From talking about her alot, I can tell your still on the move on phase. It will take awhile but soon you wont be mentioning your ex at all cause you'll be comepletly in love with your new gf or someone else in the future. Also, Show her you like her alot now. Because you mention your ex alot, she dosen't think you like her. SHOW HER YOU LIKE HER ALOT! lol Do this and you are set.
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« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2009, 11:08:50 AM »
Scott, I realize that your situation has changed but you cannot forget how terrible your ex treated you when you were together. You gotta give your new gf a fair chance. While there is no problem making your new gf feel jealous once in a while, make sure you give her plenty of opportunites to be together with you. I would suggest you cut your contact down with your ex to a minimum just so she would not be a factor in your new relationship.

Perhaps the song is a good indicator, your ex came back but it is too late as you found someone else.

I can't imagine how you can be friends with someone who betrayed you like your ex did :o but I understand every situation is uniquie. Hope you find a good balance. :)
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« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2009, 04:26:43 PM »
Brent and Alex, thanks for your input. My girl told me that if my best friend and I had never dated, it wouldn't be a problem with her. But because there was romantic interest there at one point (even though it's long gone), she feels insecure about it. I understand that, but I don't think it's justified because everything that happened between my best friend and I happened long before I met my girlfriend. I don't think she should judge her feelings based on things that she wasn't around to experience first-hand. My best friend and I don't even see eachother as exes. If you were to ask either of us what the other is to us, we'd both say "(s)he is my best friend." But people can't understand that.

They both feel like they should priority over the other, and both have a good stake to that claim. I'm afraid I'm going to have to make a difficult, painful decision somewhere along the road.  :-\
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« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2009, 06:01:40 PM »
Scott, I know how she feels.

My girlfriend stays in good terms with most of her exes - it bothers me when he texts her, it bothers me when they see each other, and for some time I thought she still had feelings for him, and that did put a huge strain on our relationship.

I think the best way you can calm the "monster" is to show her how much you care for her - show her that she's your girlfriend and not your ex. Give her additional affection - that'll calm her insecurities about you and your ex, and she will respond in the same way. It starts a virtuous circle of trust and attraction.

My advice would actually contradict Brent's - don't try to "hide" that part of your life, as to not hurt her feelings. Because when she'll get a glimpse of anything having to do with your ex, she'll imagine that you have something to hide, and that therefore you are untrustworthy. She will hate your for that. I've been there. Recently.

Scott, I agree with Alex: it's hard to believe you're friends with a girl that betrayed you like she did. I think Brent is right when he says you're still moving on: I believe that even though you've accepted that you can't be together, you still have a huge emotional connection with her - I'm not saying you're in love, I'm saying I don't think you've moved on yet.

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I'm not willing to give up my best friend for anyone

This quote pretty much proves my point. Good luck Scott!

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« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2009, 11:13:39 PM »
It appears no matter how hard we try, jealousy is all pervasive. The question here is how much we can exploit the girls' jealousy for our own benefit vs making them feel comfortable.
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