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Anthony Parkes

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Problem with my GF
« on: June 18, 2009, 07:32:18 AM »
Ok guys, it's been a while now!

My girlfriend and i have been together for nearly four months now - we're quite young so on a time scale that is a very long time for both of us. it's been very hard for both of us - we used to argue every two weeks, it's been an extremely intense relationship with lots of extremely high ups and very low downs.

She's a very independant girl and i like my girlfriend to stick with me. i didn't communicate my frustrations and let them bottle up until it finally bursted. She couldn't stand me not communicating my needs and felt like she didn't serve any purpose.

A little more than a week from now we decided to break up because neither of us could stand such a constant emotional roller coaster, and not because we didn't care about each other - we do a lot. After a day we couldn't stand being apart and made up. i told her things would change (i'm extremely cynical, she's usually optimistic and loves her life)

We haven't seen each other in a week now, and after two we stopped texting and calling each other, and only scarcely chatted on MSN. She grew very distant and somewhat disrespectful.

i ended up confronting her about it yesterday, and she told me she felt like she didn't recognize me anymore and felt like there was nothing left between us. She said it seemed like i had changed, and that i never asked her how things were going, didn't try to see her or catch up with her.

We used to see each other everyday before we "broke up" but we're preparing exams now so we don't anymore. i won't be seeing her during the summer for a full two months after our exams.

My pals are telling me not to freak out and that we haven't seen each other for a week now so it was normal that such "distance" grows. What freaks me out is that i somewhat feel the same way as she does - i feel like she's changed and we're growing apart - but deep down i know i still love her.

i told her i hoped we weren't really growing apart, she answered that i was probably right but was scared i wasn't.

i don't know if it's exams stress, change in the rythm of both our lives or if we really are falling out of love. There's no more romance, no more anything really. i think i should wait till i see her to see if we really have changed, maybe take a break for the summer and see how we feel when we get back. We'll be seeing each other every day till June 2010, after the summer that is.

i feel like we're losing each other - help!

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Re: Problem with my GF
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2009, 03:49:01 PM »
Hey Anthony - good to hear from you again!

Thanks for sharing your story... These things are always sh*t hard.

Maybe you should just let you and her grow apart, see what happens. And then rely in fate on if you'll ever get back together - that's what I would do.

Usually, when you follow your heart, not the cock and not the brain, the heart, you will make the best decision.

But maybe you already know what to do... You just need to find out what.
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Re: Problem with my GF
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2009, 05:36:51 AM »
Hello!

Well i saw her yesterday we did some kind of revision together... i have to say it wasn't very productive revision because i find it hard to concentrate on something else when she's around, and it seemed like the same for her...

Anyway i left early and she texted me saying it was "too bad we couldn't spend more time together". She usually always initiates chat on Facebook/MSN but she scarcely does now... so we didn't talk last evening.

i was scared we would have nothing to say to each other but we laughed and the atmosphere was generally light so that was relieving... until she changed her status to "isn't sure anymore..."

it was nice to be able to see her, so she could see i hadn't really changed... distance does grow if you stop seeing each other, far far quicker than i thought.

i also talked to a mutual friend that told me she was pissed off by the three days we didn't speak - she was probably angry at me and frustrated for not giving or asking news. i'm just used to her initiating contact...

this is, i think, my problem and the problem of many people following pick-up artists' advice: they act out of fear of being thought insecure and needy, and not out of confidence.

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Re: Problem with my GF
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2009, 11:50:29 AM »
Anthony, it's good to see you again man. I wish it were on better terms though, of course.

I think in this case Alex might be right... you just might have to let it die for a while and focus on other things. She seems to be expecting you to put in all the effort to fix your relationship, probably because she feels like she was the one putting in all the effort previously ("She usually always initiates chat on Facebook/MSN" and you're "just used to her initiating contact"). I think your case is fixable, it's just a matter of how and when it happens. The more time you spend together, the better it should be, but don't smother one another. And if it just so happens that things seem to become stagnant, don't be afraid to walk away for a breath of fresh air--true love continues grow even over long distances and long spans of time.
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Re: Problem with my GF
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2009, 12:22:59 PM »
This is, i think, my problem and the problem of many people following pick-up artists' advice: they act out of fear of being thought insecure and needy, and not out of confidence.

I hear you on that one! I think you're right.

But in reality, the only thing needy in that action is the, as you say, fear of being thought needy. Quite ironic, actually.
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Re: Problem with my GF
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2009, 06:19:28 PM »
Alex: You are so very right!

Scott: Yep, it's nice to hear from you too man ;) Right now I'm focusing more on friends and exams anyway, and I guess she is too... I've decided not to text, call, or chat with her for the moment - unless she initiates contact. You see, here is our (my) problem and why this relationship is so destructive for both of us:

She is a very independent and "free" girl, and doesn't show much affection. To me, physical contact with my girlfriend is extremely important. I'm also very cynical and tend to accumulate negative thoughts over time, and over-analyze a lot of things. I think I like her somewhere between a little to a lot more than she does, but she tells me that's not necessarily true.

I analyze all the stuff she does (talking to other guys or her ex), as well as the stuff she doesn't do and I feel she should (like not coming and talk to me, not texting me, not having time for a date, not answering her phone). I accumulate false impressions and keep saying to myself "If she really loved me, she would have done that and wouldn't have done this", up to the point where I'm extremely angry at her, think she's using me, and is a sly b*tch because she goes out with me when she doesn't even love me. I end up being totally blind to the good vibes she does send.

She then comes rushing to me, asking me what's wrong and why I'm so angry. I answer "nothing" because the last thing I want is her to think I'm insecure or needy. This actually comforts my analysis of the situation, and I say to myself "and only now, when she sees I'm pissed off, does she give me attention".

It ends in me or her blowing up. She then says she doesn't know me, and that I always shut her out, and that she's sick of being constantly blamed for every single thing. The typical question she asks is "Of what use am I to you?". I, on the other hand, tell her I don't feel like her boyfriend and that she doesn't give a sh*t, and use the heap of examples I've analysed and accumulated to prove my point. The typical question I ask is "Why are you going out with me?"

Finally, she convinces me that she does care, and both of us make promises to change things and make efforts. But it always, always comes back. Things go smoothly after that for about a week, and then I start building up again. The cycle is about two weeks long, some being more intense than others. That's how I've been living for the past 10 months now - so much pain, so much suffering on both sides.

She makes me cry at least once a week, and I've done and said things that made her feel terrible too. But sometimes (I've done it twice in four months), I come out and tell her how much I love her instead of criticizing every single one of her moves, and it makes her so happy she bursts into tears and becomes speechless. It makes her so happy even her Mom can tell what just happened without her saying a word.

This cycle - I have to stop it. Here are my three options:

1) Be more of a challenge, be a little more distant. Let her do more of the chasing, be less available (I've never said "no" on a dating proposal - I'm nearly always the one who plans dates, but she usually initiates talking). This will make her like me more and she will probably be more affectionate with me. However, I know that the more I'll get, the more I'll want. And this is the sort of thing that would piss off a girl unless she was so madly in love with you that she didn't have any life outside of the relationship (not the case with my girl ;) ).

2) Be more open to her: talk about problems as they arise, tell her how it made me feel when she did X or Y, try to communicate openly and freely, tell her that I love her more often. This might turn her off and I might look insecure and needy which will cause her to lose interest (fear of being thought insecure, and ultimately fear of rejection). I will worry if I feel she isn't reciprocating (and immediately stop). However, all she's been asking is for me to open up, for me to tell her what I'm thinking deep down. This could also start a virtuous circle of love. The more I make her happy, the more she will.

3) Break off from her completely. This will be extremely hard to do. I will be seeing this girl every single day for the next full year, so applying the no contact rule is purely and simply impossible. And I want her as my girlfriend, not as my ex. We've tried being friends before dating: didn't work. We've tried not talking to each other and hating each other: didn't work. We're trying to make it work as a couple, and it's still not working :(

4) Keep things as they are. Maybe it's all the unhappiness and the pursuit of an "ideal" that keeps both of us so interested in the relationship. Thats just sad though. People date because people want to be happy. A relationship that makes both parties unhappy is just a god damn paradox.

Sorry for the long post... What.should.I.do? Which card should I play?

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Re: Problem with my GF
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2009, 03:35:29 PM »
May I suggest:

5) Interact with other people (other girls, preferably).

Might sound harsh, because you're looking for a solution for your situation with this one girl. Still, I say this, because I find it very relieving to interact with other women. For some reason, it enables me to get 'out of my head'. Just being out there, talking, acting. Makes me feel in tune with myself. Sometimes, it's just plain fun. Sometimes, it's not fun at all. But I always learn from it, and it has yet to fail enabling me to become more relaxed with girls=women.

And I like that a lot, because this relaxation=showing your coolest self to the woman. It will also cause you to automatically say 'no' when needed. And I think 1) and 2) will then come naturally.
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« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2009, 09:58:47 AM »
Hello,
Ok so i saw her yesterday, we were able to talk about us a little bit. Here's what she said (roughly):

"i feel like you're not letting me in. You only call me when we're arguing and never plan to see me. The text messages you send me (when you do) are more like the ones you'd send to a friend. Adding "i love you" at the end of them doesn't cost much... we both have our lives outside our relationship, and i'm not asking you to be with me 24 hours a day, but you never ask me how i'm doing, or what's going on in my life, you just seem to have no interest in it. i feel like you don't care. i'm not saying that i believe you don't care about me, what i'm trying to tell you is that you don't give me enough attention. i end up constantly asking myself why you're going out with me... you know that pleasing me and making me happy isn't that difficult. You're just not attentive to me"

Actually, i was very happy when she told me this, because it shows she cares A LOT about me, and that despite all our arguing, she wants to be with me, and she wants more of my time, affection, and attention.

After that she asked me what it was that made me stay with her - what it was i loved about her. i told her i loved everything about her - even her really frustrating attitude, which kept me on my toes. i complimented her, told her i loved her smile, her hair, her neck, her eyes, her cheeks... then i just lied down and stared at her with a stupid smile on my face (can't help it  :-[ ). She looked at me and said "what?"... i told her she was beautiful. i told her how much she meant to me and that if she really wanted to i could make her dream and sweep her off her feet.

We then shared a moment, an amazing moment... it felt like we hadn't had one of these for ages. We cuddled and kissed, held hands as we walked through the streets of Paris, laughed, teased, and gazed at each other. Bizarrely, it's when we look at each other and hold eye contact that i feel the closest to her. Everything just makes sense when we look at each other.

She had to go after that, but just before i left she asked me if we could see each other just after her meeting. i said yes (of course) and an hour later it was just like before... it was GREAT. Yesterday was one of the best moments of our relationship. i'm so happy!

The thing is, i've been so scared of losing and spoiling her, i've been so focused on being a challenge and getting her to show me affection, i've been so over-analytical and angry with her, that i forgot the very definition of love: giving without expecting anything in return. it's amazing how affection and attention just shower back when you give them away. There's a French proverb that says "'Better' is the enemy of 'good'". That's exactly it. The recipe for happiness: treasure what you have, stop always wanting more.

You decide to be happy.

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« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2009, 09:26:00 AM »
Glad to hear things are on the mend, Anthony. You are very correct to think she cares a lot about you, and I know those feelings are reciprocated. Is your plan now to just do your best to be that boyfriend she wants and not just a friend who says "I love you?"

And although part of love is "giving without expecting anything in return," you also have to make sure that your needs are fulfilled from the relationship as well.
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Re: Problem with my GF
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2009, 02:14:17 AM »
I think the part where she said you are not calling her enough is a good sign, show she cares!
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